One of the most important relationships a writer can have is the one they have with their critique partner. So, I’d like to introduce you to Fiona Gregory, my online critique partner and special guest for today. We’ve been swapping work for two years now and during that time we’ve really clicked. I consider Fi to be a great friend as well as a great CP.
Hi Fiona. Welcome to Eleni-Fest.
Hey Eleni. Thanks for having me.
Tell us about your writing at the moment?
I’m working on a futuristic romance, and I’m starting to percolate ideas for a short story for the RWA Little Gems contest. I’m on leave from work in October so I’m hoping to give the futuristic a bit of a kick along.
Have you got a typical writing week?
I work almost full-time at the moment, so my traditional Tuesday writing day has gone out the window. Instead I try to fit in at least half an hour on work nights and more time on the weekend. My face-to-face writing group meets every two weeks and I aim to have a chapter ready every time they meet.
Which face-to-face critique group are you a part of?
Fiona with Hells Belles member (& Bootcamper) Roseanne Smiles
You’ve also chosen to work with an online critique partner? (Me!)
But, having you Eleni as a critique partner has been fabulous. As well as developing a good working relationship, we’ve developed a great friendship as well. As well as swapping work, our regular chat sessions are great for brainstorming ideas.
(Eleni: I totally agree! It has been fab!)
Fiona & Eleni at this year's conference
Are there any downsides to working with an online partner rather than a group?
Ever had any bad critiquing experiences?
Only one that sticks in my mind. I’d working really hard (probably too hard) to fix a chapter and it was unanimously declared to be one of the most boring pieces I’d ever brought to the group. I was devastated and wanted to cry. But I wrote down everything my critique partners said, went home and fixed it.
How do you critique?
I like to do a quick read through to start with, mark anything that “throws me out”, where I have to re-read to clarify, or doesn’t make sense. Then I go back and do a more comprehensive read through looking for spelling, grammar, inconsistencies, plot holes etc. It’s important to identify the problem, give suggestions for how it could be made stronger, but recognise that the work belongs to the writer, and they may not agree with you.
I use track changes most of the time for my online work, but sometimes if I know my time will be limited I print and mark up the work during my lunch break or while I’m on the bus. Then I post it back.
At Belles, we have 5-10 minutes for feedback, so I try to comment on something I really love about the manuscript, then focus on areas that need work, then give a more generalised positive comment on the work (eg I love the way the story is developing). I try and write down all the comments made about each work on the back of the manuscript, to allow the person receiving the feedback to concentrate on digesting the information, rather than capturing the comments on paper.
Is there anything you’ve learned from your critiquing experiences?
Lots. With my writing, I’ve learned that I tend to overthink and overwrite. I need to concentrate on letting the story flow in the first draft and then edit it, rather than editing the life out of it as I write.
I’ve also learned a lot from listening to other people’s critiques, including the right way to give feedback. And if more than one person gives you the exact same feedback, its something you really need to fix.
Well Fi, as always it’s been great chatting. I should let you go, so you can organise those next 3 chapters to send *grin*
Thanks Eleni. I’ll get onto that….
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Just a note folks: the CP scheme is available to members of Romance Writers of Australia and Romance Writers of New Zealand. Check their sites for details.
As a special give away in honor of having Fiona on the blog, I have a mini-pack to give-away.
Just comment about the topic of critique partners to enter. Comments can be posted until the end of the 11th of October.
Good luck!!
Comments for Mini-Pack now CLOSED.
Congratulations to Moonsanity!
Congratulations to Moonsanity!
Good luck!!
~yia~
23 comments:
It's great to have someone to bounce ideas off of. And whenever you get stressed they can talk you down, almost like a therapist--but for free.
I'm new at fiction, and never really had a critique partner other than my husband who is no nonsense for my non-fiction. I had one partner for a book proposal and we ended up clashing because we were so different in personality and backgrounds. I have to decide if I want a partner other than my husband for the fiction. Thanks for a great interview!
Joder - having a CP has really improved my writing & yes LOL re the therapist. We have great IM chats. And talk about everything under the sun. Fi is great at bouncing ideas with and her feedback is so helpful.
Moonsanity - sorry to hear that you clashed with the person re your fiction. It really is s matter of finding the right person for you. We were lucky to be paired up with the CP scheme and we chatted via email & IM and clicked from the start. You need someone who respects you & your work, and who you respect back. So I hope you find that person or people. It took me a long time to have a CP. I have wonderful friends that read my work & still do. So maybe start off with friends you know and trust.
Hi Fiona
You sound like you've got a great support network in place for your writing with the face to face group and your CP, Eleni. And it also sounds like you're very open to receiving constructive comments on your work so congratulations and that's not always an easy thing.
I'm very very lucky with my wonderful CPs too. Honest, helpful critiques are golden in lots of ways. The obvious way is to help you to see and learn to accept there are things about your work that need to be improved. But it also gets you ready to accept an editor's revision comments and to get used to the idea that you do need to change things in a manuscript.
So good for you, Fiona and Eleni. I'll look forward to hearing your call stories and hopefully in the not too distant future!
:)
Sharon
Hi Eleni & Fiona Gregory :)
Thank you for the great post on Critiquing!
I haven't found a CP yet.
I'm glad you both found each other.
Love & Best Wishes,
RKCharron
xoxo
PS - Is Fiona Gregory on Twitter?
I've looked but cannot find her.
Hi Sharon,
Fi does have a good balance doesn't she. It's always great receiving constructive comments and seeing how other people view your work - being our heads so much, sometimes we can't distance ourselves. Yay on having wonderful CPs.
And thanks re hearing call stories. Hope that's soon ;))
Hey RK,
Glad you enjoyed the post on critiquing. Hope you find the right CP for you.
And Fiona isn't on Twitter. But she does blog on occasion at the Bootcampers 101 group
http://bootcampers101.blogspot.com
I think a critique partnership really is like a marriage. I tend to have casual critique partners rather than long-term ones. Most people are busy these days, and I'm always in a hurry so sometimes I don't use a critique partner. It depends on the manuscript and if I'm having problems with it.
Nice to meet you, Fiona. :)
That's true Shelley, and you have to know what you can and can't do in that relationship. And you bring up a good point - the busier one gets, the harder it is to always give attention to a person's work or vice versa.
Hi Everyone,
Thanks for your comments. I really enjoyed doing this interview. And I was really lucky Eleni didn't ask me about my technology skills (Twitter, Facebook etc). I could be described as a bit of a novice! I've just discovered blogging and I'm really loving it. Happy writing everyone.
Hi Fiona, and Eleni,
I have had a crit partner for almost three years now, plus I have two others who have been with me for around six months.
I value their opinion, and their feedback. Without them, my little silly mistakes would be overriden. lol.
They tend to pick up things I don't see, thus, being too close to one's work.
My crit partners are there for me, and I for them. If any of us have something urgent, we ring the urgent bell and it's out the door the next day.
I wouldn't be without them. They are so helpful. :)
Hi Eleni and Fi.
I have only recently started to have my work critiqued by my wonderful bootcats mates, who looked at my High Five entry. Also, another great Bootcamp 109chick ran her eye over it, along with my brother-in-law! All their comments were constructive. I used what I could and filed the rest away.
Your working relationship sounds perfect. Keep up the good work.
Shayne
Great CP's are like gold!! Even when you think a manuscript is perfect (of course!!) a CP will invariably pick up on something our eyes have skimmed over!
Eleni and Fiona - great you have such a great CP relationship! =)
So glad CPing is working out for you Suz, Shayne and Mel.
I feel blessed it's working out for me too :)
I enjoyed reading your interview, Fiona - your name rang a bell and when Eleni mentioned you'd written a story for this year's Little Gems, I realised why. Yours was one of the first I flipped to and read - it reminded me of While You Were Sleeping (setting only - girl in toll booth scenario, not plot) and thought it was a sweet, satisfying read. :-)
It's great to hear people are getting good value out of the CP scheme - finding someone you click with is important. There's a whole lot of trust in putting your work out there for someone to critically analyse (for the positive but mainly for areas to strengthen).
It all depends on what you're hoping to get out of the relationship when you go looking for a CP. If you can handle the workload then I think it helps to find a couple of good crit partners - one who is at the same stage of writing as you are, as you learn together rather than one of you feeling more like mentor or not being able to contribute much to the "more advanced" partner. That person could write in the same genre as you as they'll "get" what you're doing in your writing.
The second might be someone outside your genre - I find a CP with this qualification is good to focus on technical things like world building - if they don't get it then you haven't done your job.
Kylie, I agree with your with the whole of trust when you give your work for it to be critiqued. Potential CPs should find exactly what they want out of the relationship and address some of the points you've raised.
I have a beta reader who is not a writer but reads alot of books. When something is off, she will let me know - maybe she doesn't know how to fix it but she makes me aware of those parts of the stories jumped out at her for the wrong reasons. :)
I've been with my CPs for over five years, from when we were all targeting HM&B. We now write a combination of YA, MG and *cough* erotic romance(!) but it works really well for us. I know I need to really work at something when they both pick out the exact same problem - have to say it's very freaky when they do that but they always hit the nail on the head!
How lovely for you and your CPs to grow and change with time (in what you are writing) and still be able to keep being great CPs. It has been great seeing the support you give eachother on your blogs. Great going!!
Using the trusty random name picker - we have Moonsanity as the winner. Can you please send me your details in an email to
eleni-fest@elenikonstantine.com
Thank you everyone for joining in.
And of course a huge thank you to Fiona for being a special guest. Thanks Fi!
Thank you so much! I just sent you an email with my address. Thanks too for such a great interview. I do actually have a couple of online friends that I think would be good partners. One I've known a long time, and she writes nonfiction but I think would love reading over either.
You're welcome Moonsanity. So glad you are thinking more about CPs for your fiction. Good luck and let us know how it goes :))
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